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Denise Kiernan Interviews Acclaimed Biographer Neal Thompson About Robert ‘Believe It Or Not’ Ripley

In the past, my friend Neal Thompson has illuminated the lives of astronauts, moonshiners, race car rivers and high school football players. Now he turns his considerable research and storytelling talents to the life of Robert Ripley, the buck-toothed, socially awkward cartoonist who dazzled Americans with his compulsive need to seek out the world’s greatest oddities. I had the opportunity to ask Neal about his latest book, “A Curious Man: The Strange and Brilliant Life of Robert ‘Believe It or Not!’ Ripley.” Here’s what he had to say.

—Denise Kiernan, author of “The Girls of Atomic City.”

 

This is one of those topics I love–something I’ve heard about for years but realized I know little about. When did you first get “curious” about Ripley?

-It was one of those smack-you-in-the-face moments… I’d always known about and been vaguely curious about Ripley. As a newspaper reader and reporter, I’d grown up with the Believe It or Not cartoons. But it wasn’t until coming across a New York Times article about the opening of a Ripley’s museum in Times Square that I thought, “Oh, Ripley was a real guy. Wonder what he was like?” By that afternoon – a Friday in August in 2007 – I knew Ripley’s overlooked story was my next book project. (In fact, I probably told you and Joe about it over beers that very night.) It grew into an obsession – who was this guy? and why has no one written about him? – that lasted five years.
How did you do your research? Were you able to talk to Ripley’s descendants? Were there any significant gaps in documentation or was his life an open book?

-The research was tricky. Ripley didn’t have kids. He had been dead for more than half a century. At first, I couldn’t find anyone who actually knew him. Fortunately, I got the generous cooperation of the Ripley Entertainment company, which oversees all the Believe It or Not museums and publishes those fat, annual Believe It or Not books. I convinced them to let me into their climate-controlled archives, which was an absolute treasure trove – Ripley’s personal papers, travel journals, business documents, archival photos and film footage. For a researcher, this was Nirvana. It was practically a one-stop shopping locale for the book. Then, weirdly, a few months later I discovered a newly opened collection at the University of North Carolina: the collected papers of Ripley’s business manager. I was heaven. Dorky, but true.

The one missing element, though, was Ripley’s personal reflections on his life, his success. But I don’t think he was much for self-reflection. I think he just kept moving onward in his madcap life.

After spending so much time researching his life, why do you think Ripley ended up following the career path that he did? What sparked his fascination with oddities?

-Ripley grew up poor, shy, bucktoothed, and awkward, and I really believe that his own sense of feeling like a misfit and an outcast fueled his curiosity about – and his empathy for – other oddballs. For “the other.” Though he featured all types of weirdness in his cartoons, books, radio and TV shows (from strange sports feats to religious fanatics to people with bizarre abilities or deformities) one constant is Ripley’s appreciation for the underdog. I think he never tired of being a champion of the odd-duck underdog. Combined with that, the man was almost pathologically curious, especially about weird s**t. He would always ask new acquaintances, “What’s the strangest thing you’ve ever seen?” He really wanted to know more and more and more about the world, about other peoples and cultures, animals and nature. He had a bottomless appetite for a good story and, especially, a good hard-to-believe shocker.

You and I both started out in journalism, which is a challenging field. Can you talk about the world of media in Ripley’s day? How was he able to break into newspapers and publishing, and become the highest paid “journalist” of his time?

-Ripley started out so humbly: drawing cartoons for the sports page for $8 a week. His rise to the highest ranks of journalism and entertainment is one of the more remarkable aspects of his story. As I mentioned, he was shy and awkward. He also stuttered and had terrible stage fright. Yet he managed, through sheer will (and a lot of savvy, and more than a little liquor) to expand his Believe It or Not concept from newspaper cartoon, to bestselling books, to wildly popular radio programs, to the lecture circuit, to museums and eventually to TV. He was a true multi-media pioneer, and I still find it incredible that during the worst of the Great Depression he was making at least $500,000 a year from his empire. And I think that was largely due to his belief in himself (the underdog!), and he belief that his was giving people what they wanted, and that his audience was as curious about the world as he was.

How would Ripley do today, in our voyeuristic society? Would he thrive? Be just one of many? Would he have his own network?

-Hmm… good one… I think it’d be tough for Ripley to thrive – on screen, anyway — in today’s pop culture, in which a pretty face seems to be a requisite for a journalist or TV entertainer. But I do think there are folks out there who are acting very Ripley-esque – Anthony Bourdain, for one; the folks behind The Amazing Race; YouTube and reality TV stars. And I’d like to think that Ripley would’ve found a way to make his mark. I could see him being a producer of shows, or maybe an Internet sensation. I think his lack of cynicism, and his compassion for his subjects, would endear him to his audience, even today.

I also think he’d have a hell of a Twitter following.

And finally, what are the underlying causes of the French Revolution?

-I’m glad you asked. I’m pretty sure it had to do with an ex-con who stole some bread. And there were barricades. Later, the French Revolution became a famous Broadway musical. Believe it or not.

 

Neal Thompson specializes in narrative nonfiction, biography, and overlooked Americana. His fourth book, A CURIOUS MAN, chronicles the hard-to-believe life of the eccentric world-traveling cartoonist, media pioneer, millionaire-celebrity-playboy Robert ‘Believe It or Not’ Ripley, considered to be the godfather of reality TV. David Shields says A Curious Man “constructs an elegant argument: the world Ripley created is the world in which we now live”, and Ben Fountain says “anyone who wants to understand America needs to read this book.”

A former journalist, Neal has worked at the Philadelphia Inquirer, the St. Petersburg Times, and the Baltimore Sun, and has written for Outside, Esquire, Sports Illustrated, and Men’s Health. He and his books have been featured on NPR, ESPN, the History Channel, Fox, and TNT. Neal lives in Seattle with his wife and two skateboarding sons. Since 2011 he has worked as an editor, reviewer and interviewer on the books team at Amazon.com, where he oversees the Best Books of the Month program.

 

 

 

The World Until Yesterday: What Can We Learn from Traditional Societies?

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By HulaMonkey on January 7, 2013

By NPR Staff

In his new book, The World Until Yesterday, Jared Diamond tells the story of a young schoolboy named Billy who was killed in a traffic accident on his way home from school in Papua New Guinea.

The driver was alert but simply couldn’t stop the car when Billy ran across the road. In an outcome that may surprise people in many parts of the world, the incident was peacefully resolved within days.

Five days after the accident, Diamond explains, the employer and friends of the killer sat down for a meal with the relatives of the dead boy.

“They ate together. They cried together. They said how sad it was to lose the dead boy,” he tells NPR’s Neal Conan. “And they reached emotional reconciliation.

“That’s unthinkable in California,” says Diamond, a geography professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Diamond, who has spent nearly 50 years studying cultures in Papua New Guinea, presents this approach to conflict resolution as just one example of the lessons the modern world can learn from traditional societies.

“We shouldn’t romanticize traditional societies,” Diamond says. “We shouldn’t condemn them as brutes and barbarians. But there are things that are wonderful, and there are things that are dreadful about them.”

 

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The Future of American Fiction: An Interview with Alison Espach

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By HulaMonkey on July 18, 2012

Reprint: Flavorwire by . Posted on 2:01 pm Tuesday Jul 17, 2012

If you haven’t noticed, we spend a lot of time thinking about literature here in the Flavorpill offices, digging through its past, weighing its current state, and imagining its future. Take a look at our bookshelves and you’ll find us reading everything from Nobel Prize winners to age-old classics to paperbacks printed at the bookstore down the street. Call it Chick-Lit, Hysterical Realism, Ethnic-Lit, or Translit — if it’s good fiction, we’ll be talking about it. So this summer, we’re launching The Future of American Fiction: an interview series expanding on that endless conversation about books we love, and yes, the direction of American fiction, from the people who’d know. Every Tuesday from now through August, we’ll bring you a short interview with one of the writers we think is instrumental in defining that direction.

This week we spoke with Alison Espach, whose debut novel The Adults is the defining novel for recovering debutantes from Connecticut. The novel is narrated by Emily, a high school freshman, who grows up in the privileged world of investment bank commuters and desperate housewives. Her padded life suddenly unravels when she wakes early one morning after a sleepover, and looks out her kitchen window to witness her neighbor’s suicide. Meanwhile, her classmates provide anything but comfort (i.e. The fat girl in class gets nicknamed ABOB, which stands for “Annie The Bird or Bear” because nobody can decide if her nose makes her a bird, or if her fat makes her a bear). Satire, obviously. But amidst the byzantine cruelty only privileged high schoolers are capable of, grace is found in the secret, illicit relationship that develops between Emily and her English teacher. Espach never excuses the relationship, but she never indicts it either. Amidst a world of cheese platters and art auctions, their relationship simply surfaces as something real while everything else in Emily’s world just seems sterilized. Espach joined us to talk about her novel, love and morality, and the thing we know as “white girl fiction.”

How would you describe the state of American fiction today? Is there anything you love or hate about it?

I love how many different places you can find fiction. You can find a daily dose on Five Chapters every morning. You can still find it printed in periodicals like The New Yorker, Harper’s. You can find it in 140 characters on Twitter. You can find it on individual author blogs. You can find it through small university presses, in strange and eclectic literary magazines. And I’ll stop there, because this is starting to sound like Oh, The Places You’ll Go.

I hate the increasing need for an established platform before you sell your first book. I hate how it’s much easier to sell a book if you have 20,000 blog followers than if you don’t.

You’ve said before that you saw tension as “characters feeling emotions they shouldn’t” and plot as “characters struggling for power they don’t have.” How did that factor in when writing about the relationship between Emily and Mr. Basketball?

I say that because that’s the only way plot makes sense to me. Bombs and car chases and bank heists never really did it for me. Maybe that’s because I grew up with two older brothers and watched too many Arnold movies and became desensitized to that kind of drama at an early age. To me, the most excruciating conflict is the private conflict, the stuff inside us we try to hide from everybody, except perhaps the reader. I get lost in big plot sometimes, in obvious conflict. But when I think of the story as a series of small and subtle power shifts, it becomes a lot easier to write that middle chunk of the novel, the small scenes in between the big scenes.

In your novel The Adults, Mr. Basketball is 24 when he first sleeps his 15-year-old high school student Emily. I was also 24 when I read the book, and I couldn’t help but see myself in his position, which made me angrier, though more empathetic. You also must have been around the same age when writing his character — did you ever struggle with your own moral judgment when writing him? How much, if at all, do you think people should read with moral judgment?

It’s much easier when your characters make bad decisions — if everybody did what they were supposed to in The Adults, there would have been no plot. So in that sense, I didn’t really struggle much while writing Mr. Basketball. Because the story is told through Emily, a young teenage girl ripe for attention, it was easy to see what she would desire in Mr. Basketball, what she would ignore, and what she wouldn’t see at all. When you’re in love, you (or well, me) can do a lot of dumb things, things that don’t make sense out of context or to an outside audience. It’s weirdly difficult to see who it is you love, the person you are the closest to. For me, it’s taken years after a break-up (Why did he used to get embarrassed when I ordered fajitas? He kept a manikin in his living room window?). And so on. I wanted Emily’s arch to feel like that, like she was slowly opening her eyes. It’s not until the end of the book where she has her first real glimpse of Mr. Basketball. I think that’s a lot of what the coming-of-age tale is about, a young person who finally understands what it is she’s seeing.

Incidentally, two of the novels many consider as the “first modern novel” are about a bored suicidal housewife, and an older man who sleeps with a twelve year old girl. You worked with similar subjects in The Adults, except set during contemporary times. To what extent do you think writing about a young, rich girl in privileged Connecticut still matters to readers today?

Ha. Oh, I don’t know. I think any story matters as long as it’s interesting. And how do you know if it’s interesting?  I don’t know. You really have to trust your gut on that one and believe whatever interests you may just interest someone else. I think for a story about a young, rich girl in privileged Connecticut is obviously not going to be one of survival. A lot of plots are built on these basic survival needs — Robinson Crusoe, Hunger Games, The Road, etc. But if a character — like Emily — has tap water to drink and Go-Gurt in the food closet, then the story becomes about the less obvious needs she might have. We always wants something, even if we seem to have everything, and if you can find what it is that’s missing, you may have found a story.

Where do you see American fiction going — or, perhaps, where do you hope and/or dread it will go?

I live in desperate fear that books will disappear. I don’t think stories will ever go away — in some form or another, we’ll always have stories. But the actual pages you can feel. I worry about books disappearing the way I worry about getting cancer, getting hit by a car. Which is, to say, quite a lot.

What was the last good book you read?

I’m going to break the rules and mention two books because one hasn’t been published yet. One great book that you should buy right this second: The Thing Around Your Neck by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. One great debut novel that everyone should buy this summer when it’s published is Wild Girls by Mary Stewart Atwell.

Illustration by Geoff Mak

Diana Gabaldon on inspiration and her bookshelf

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By HulaMonkey on February 28, 2012

Diana Gabaldon is the bestselling author of the Outlander series and the Lord John novels. (Outlander fans, she is currently working on the eighth of the series Written in My Own Heart’s Blood. The latest Lord John novel was recently released.) She is a fascinating person with a diverse background.  I’ve known Diana for a few years and, when I visited Scottsdale, I interviewed her about her insights on her successful writing career. I quickly realized that some of her suggestions are applicable not just for authors, but also for all of us.  Here are a few success tips that I gleaned from Diana Gabaldon:

One of Diana Gabaldon's bookshelves

1. Maintain a continual passion for learning.  Long before her mega success as an author, Diana spent years as a university professor.  She has a PhD in Quantitative Behavioral Ecology.  I’m not smart enough to know what that means!  Clearly, she has a love of learning.  She applied that same love of learning in the meticulous research for her books.  Her fiction books are known for their accuracy and it is no wonder.  Her personal library includes thousands of books. Her Arizona home alone contains over 1500 reference works on topics such as warfare techniques, poisons and history. Some of the topics are very specific, such as the art of passementarie (the knotted tassels on 18th century furnishings) or the 126 books on herbals. If you have been searching for Sam Johnson’s Dictionary (1755) or Captain Francis Grose’s A Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue (1811), look no further.

2. Don’t just dream, do!  A little-known fact about Diana is that she also spent time writing comic books for Walt Disney.  How did she start that?  Having read other comic books for years, she thought she could do it, too.  Most of us may think, “I could do that” and then leave it at that.  Not Diana.  She wrote to the publisher and received the submission requirements.  Then, she took action and sent in her first story.

3. Keep at it.  Have you ever tried something and failed?  Of course, we all have.  When you fail, see it as an opportunity to learn and try again.  Diana’s initial submission to Walt Disney was rejected, but she learned from it and kept at it until she was accepted.  Years later, when she decided to write a novel, she applied that same lesson.  She didn’t write a chapter and stop.  She kept writing.  The result is twenty plus years as a successful writer with a dedicated fan following.  Her books are so widely anticipated that she has a countdown clock on her website.

Reprinted: Skip Prichard, Ideas, Insight and Inspiration  01/12/12

http://www.skipprichard.com/blog/notes-creativity-and-success-diana-gabaldon

Today Show: You’re Not Your Number

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By on September 20, 2010

Author Susan Shapiro Barash stopped by the Today Show this morning to join a multi-generational panel along with Kathy Lee and Hoda for a lively conversation about the age old question: “Is age more than just a number?” Her latest book You’re Grounded Forever…But First, Let’s Go Shopping hits shelves on October 1st!

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Bruce Henderson chats with Jon Stewart about “Hero Found”

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By on August 5, 2010

Bruce Henderson stopped by The Daily Show last night to talk about his new book Hero Found: The Greatest POW Escape of the Vietnam War which recounts the amazing story of Dieter Dengler, a Vietnam pilot who mounted a thrilling escape from a POW camp. Christian Bale portrayed Dengler in the 2006 film Rescue Dawn by cinema maverick Werner Herzog.

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Dr. Connie Mariano visits “The Daily Show”

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By on July 8, 2010
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INTERVIEW: J.T. Ellison on ’14′

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By on June 16, 2010

Was it your goal to have more twists and plots in 14 to set it apart from All The Pretty Girls?

14 practically wrote itself. The story just spilled forth, bending in on itself and surprising me in many places. I wanted to showcase Nashville, our investigative techniques, and show how dual jurisdictions can work together in a cooperative effort rather than infighting. I also wanted to explore the evolution of criminals who aren’t caught, where they might be twenty years after they commit their crimes. Have they gone on the straight and narrow, changed their MO, died? Who knows the real reason they stopped killing? 14 is a vision, a nightmare really, about what might happen in their worlds.

This book presents so many more challenges to Taylor Jackson professionally and personally. Was this also part of the objective in writing a sequel?

Absolutely. When you’re writing a series, you have to keep the characters fresh and intriguing from book to book. By default, you don’t let every detail of their lives out into the open in the first book. I try to let Taylor and Baldwin unfold as characters over the course of the books. And people in every profession, from cop to writer, face challenges over the course of their careers. Taylor’s challenges are compounded in this book, and her reactions to them define her future.

Is her live-on-the-edge father based on a character or combination of people you’ve known?

No, Win Jackson is purely a figment of my imagination. I think we’re all products of our upbringing, and as such, Taylor is a creation of her early environment. Win needed to be Taylor’s polar opposite: Where she has integrity and courage, her father is severely lacking in any kind of morality. He does things that serve his purpose and interests, with complete disregard for the law. The juxtaposition of the two personalities allowed me to amplify their differences. His purpose as a character is to give the readers a glimpse into why Taylor is who she is. His immorality ultimately defines her strict moral code.

This is an all-encompassing character piece as well as a thriller – delving into Taylor’s past, her imminent marriage, her feckless, missing father. What is more important to you – the story or the pace?

I think every great thriller has elements of both comprehensive character development and relationships, and breakneck speed. I love setting books in short time periods – 14 only spans seven days. It’s a challenge, but I think the reward is an engaging story that draws in the reader and doesn’t give them the chance to walk away. I want to hear that this story kept you up late, that you read well past your bedtime. That’s when I know I’ve done my job.

To set the story did you research habits of a copy cat killer?

My research is all-encompassing. I strive for realism, and at the same time, recognize that Nashville can only have so many serial killers. I did spend a good deal of time searching for just the right type of killers to emulate. The Snow White Killer is Nashville’s fictionalized answer to the big guns – the Zodiac, the Son of Sam, the Boston Strangler.

If you could give any advice to a writer wanting to write a series—and you have several more coming out in this series—what would you say?

Always respect your readers, and always give enough detail that your books can be read out of order. It’ s a tricky, delicate combination, making sure that each book can stand alone as well as further the goals of the characters within. But you never know in what order new readers might pick up your books so it’s paramount to give enough of the back story so they don’t get lost without giving it all away.

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